Elden Ring Vs Horizon Forbidden West

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Elden Ring vs Horizon Forbidden West. Which will be the all-time selling game?

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• Start engagement January nine, 2022

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• #1,301

Blows me away that this was always a question. I couldn't give less of a shit about Elden Ring or whatever other From Software/Soulsbourne type game, so naturally that automatically means it's going to accept over the world and become the most popular thing ever. Happens every goddamn time.

I've been playing Horizon FW for a month solid now and I SWEAR I'll finish it this weekend. I thought I had to accept done every single sidequest past at present, but of course last dark every bit I was making use of my shiny new mountain that can practice something none of my previous mounts could do if you know what I mean, I found a little village I'd never been to before and of course there were like three new sidequest givers in in that location. Gah.

• #1,302

Anyway.. All these considerations can simply be random words, the real virdict will be given in a month or 2, even 2077 and FO4 take been, afterward their release, for a good 60 days unbeaten topsellers; if ER will notwithstanding exist a topseller by tardily april so maybe you were right and I was incorrect, guess that we'll meet :)

Very well reasoned. I don't see it panning out that way, only this is all just fun and speculation. I'm happy to run into both games doing well!

• #1,303

Then you lot're basically saying (in this and a previous post near 10m DS3 players ownership the game) that Elden Ring has simply appealed to the hardcore gamer/cadre Souls thespian base and hasn't crossed into the mainstream? Because for a game to sell 12 million in a few weeks, it has to have tapped into that market. The CoD/GTA/2K crowd are already there buying ER over Horizon.

Non but Souls players, there are always outliers, but I'chiliad quite confident that a good 80 to 90% of the people who bought ER are Souls fans, yes. I can not run across how someone used to a GTA playstyle would be interested in this game

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• #one,304

I dear Elden Ring, it's ane of the best games I have e'er played. I haven't touched H:FW since ER'due south launch, despite me initially putting it on simply to cheque it out before going back to Horizon.

With that said, it's not for everyone. Horizon is more fine tuned and custom built for mainstream tastes. It hones in on elements of successful games with surgical precision and it has a better chance of resonating with a larger crowd.

If Elden Ring ends up being the game with better sales numbers, despite its deliberate and focused blueprint vs. Horizon's labgrown appeal and polish, I will be very pleasantly surprised. In pure marketing terms - the Full Addressable Market place for Horizon is much much much larger.

• #1,305

Not only Souls players, there are e'er outliers, but I'one thousand quite confident that a skillful 80 to 90% of the people who bought ER are Souls fans, yes. I tin not see how someone used to a GTAplaystyle could exist interested in this game

The game sold in a flake over two weeks more than what the last one did in 4 years (unless you consider Sekiro the last one, then it sold in two weeks more than twice what Sekiro did in one yr). You don't do that past not reaching new people. I think the per centum of Souls fans who make up ER buyers isn't that high at all.

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• #one,306

Non just Souls players, there are ever outliers, only I'k quite confident that a adept 80 to xc% of the people who bought ER are Souls fans, yes. I can not encounter how someone used to a GTAplaystyle could exist interested in this game

this is asinine. 12M copies in a few weeks means you've reached a gigantic audience that has never been interested in these types of games before.

• #1,307

I recollect the percentage of Souls fans who make up ER buyers isn't that loftier at all.

Well at present that'due south a wild guess.

For the 2 weeks confronting 4 years.. Are yous honestly comparing the amount of hype this game had compared with DS3?

• #one,308

Well now that's a wild guess.

For the 2 weeks against 4 years.. Are you honestly comparison the amount of hype this game had compared with DS3?

I'm saying the hype, and subsequent sales, outstrips that of DS3 so much that it'southward very doubtful "80-ninety%" of people playing Elden Band are people who were Souls fans beforehand.

Oct 25, 2017

eleven,282

Texas

• #1,309

Not only Souls players, there are always outliers, merely I'thousand quite confident that a good 80 to 90% of the people who bought ER are Souls fans, yep. I can not see how someone used to a GTA playstyle would be interested in this game

That'due south a hell of a take to remember that there has been no expansion of the consumer base of operations when it attained the full sales of DS3 in 14ish days

Shows how little some people more often than not understand virtually sales data

• #ane,310

That'due south a hell of a take to retrieve that there has been no expansion of the consumer base of operations when it attained the full sales of DS3 in 14ish days

Shows how little some people by and large understand about sales data

oh there is no fashion I'yard going to brand the whole FO4, Cyberpunk comparison (with little differences ofc) all over once again, bank check my previous replies

• #1,311

Non only Souls players, there are ever outliers, but I'm quite confident that a skilful 80 to 90% of the people who bought ER are Souls fans, yeah. I can not see how someone used to a GTA playstyle would be interested in this game

Really? 10 million (actually more by now) who brought the game in less than a month are fans of souls games?

Dude legit, yous don't know how sales work

• #1,312

Really? 10 one thousand thousand (actually more than by at present) who brought the game in less than a month are fans of souls games?

Dude legit, you don't know how sales work

Don't you expect the people who bought (and statistically enjoyed a lot) their last similar title (no, Sekiro is dissimilar) to buy their new game that is basically as DS3, just multiplied by 3?
Well, I kinda practice look it.
Y'all await sales data for a souls like to work the same way of a standard Open up Globe title? "Dude legit"but I disagree.

if in a thirty-40 days Elden Ring will still be a topseller, so it'd be clear that I was wrong and that the game conspicuously went full mainstream, just for at present? iii weeks after the release day? Fifty-fifty Cyberpunk and Fallout were doing, sales wise, similar (read better) numbers, and both those games, at least at first, lived on the hype coming from their previous titles. With all respect to folks like you, simply I usually prefer to work with bodily data and not with "trust me bro" (like all the websites that were claiming 10+ mln sold copies on PC because steamspy told me so)

If you desire the full discussion experience free to read my previous replies :)

• #1,313

Not only Souls players, there are always outliers, merely I'm quite confident that a good fourscore to 90% of the people who bought ER are Souls fans, yes. I can non see how someone used to a GTA playstyle would be interested in this game

Your confidence meter needs to be serviced.

• #1,314

Don't you wait the people who bought (and statistically enjoyed a lot) their last similar title (no, Sekiro is different) to buy their new game that is basically every bit DS3, but multiplied by three?
Well, I kinda do expect information technology.
You expect sales information for a souls like to work the aforementioned fashion of a standard Open World title? "Dude legit"merely I disagree.

if in a 30-forty days Elden Ring will withal be a topseller, so it'd be clear that I was wrong and that the game conspicuously went total mainstream, just for now? 3 weeks after the release day? Fifty-fifty Cyberpunk and Fallout were doing, sales wise, similar (read improve) numbers, and both those games, at least at outset, lived on the hype coming from their previous titles. With all respect to folks like you, but I commonly adopt to piece of work with actual data and not with "trust me bro" (like all the websites that were claiming ten+ mln sold copies on PC considering steamspy told me so)

If you want the full discussion feel free to read my previous replies :)

Manifestly this is anecdotal merely my barber literally bought the game because his friends did. Non a single one of the likes previous souls games.

As well y'all're not working with actual data. Your trying to crowbar your ain logic into bodily data. The data says it sold 12m, and You lot'RE then making upwards the numbers with the 80-90% of souls fans thing.

Obviously long term sales likewise thing but automatically attributing electric current sales to just die hard fans when no previous game in the series has really gotten close to this success makes nothing sense. If it's only souls fans, where the heck were they previously?

Why take they gone from staggered over years to just a few weeks?

• #1,315

Obviously this is anecdotal but my barber literally bought the game because his friends did. Non a single one of the likes previous souls games.

Why have they gone from staggered over years to only a few weeks?

yeah and the only friend of mine I am sure that bought the game on release already went for a refund because he didn't come across/feel annihilation of GRRM in the game, single examples don't matter. On the other paw, seeing that basically all my friends still play cod and gta is something statistically more useful, don't yous think?

"Also yous're not working with bodily data. Your trying to crowbar your ain logic into actual data. The data says it sold 12m, and You'RE then making upwardly the numbers with the 80-90% of souls fans thing."
No, it'south chosen correlation. it'south something that is used quite frequently when you endeavor to model a given trend in the long fourth dimension. Turns out that super hyped games with a quite detail gameplay tend to sell a lot to a particular audience (normally company main userbase) on release so tend to decrease their sales quite fast after a couple of months. The only example in which this does not happen is games where Multilayer gets eventually added or games that lucifer what coincidental players want (rdr2-gta and and then on)

"Plain long term sales also thing but automatically attributing current sales to only die hard fans when no previous game in the series has actually gotten shut to this success makes zero sense. If information technology's merely souls fans, where the heck were they previously?"
Cyberpunk sold more copies than TW3 in its kickoff year (and even more), aforementioned for Fallout with Skyrim, how did it end? Non gonna explicate everything from 0 over again, bank check my previous replies

"Why have they gone from staggered over years to only a few weeks?" Look to a higher place

• #1,316

Even in games where there is a directly and unambiguous plot continuation, they don't reach 90% having played the previous games. People merely hear good things or think the new game looks cool, and dive in.

• #one,317

Obviously this is anecdotal only my barber literally bought the game because his friends did. Not a single i of the likes previous souls games.

Also you're not working with actual data. Your trying to crowbar your own logic into actual data. The data says information technology sold 12m, and Yous'RE then making up the numbers with the 80-90% of souls fans thing.

Evidently long term sales likewise matter but automatically attributing current sales to but dice hard fans when no previous game in the serial has really gotten close to this success makes cypher sense. If it'south only souls fans, where the heck were they previously?

Why accept they gone from staggered over years to only a few weeks?

Bro, just wait some older threads to bank check the hype from fans, yeah, in that location are some new folks who never played it, but I hold that majority are from people who played at least ane FROM game earlier. People went hollow waiting to this game, I got 3 copies for myself lmao.

If you wait the DS3 numbers, I bet with y'all that almost all accounts who played it got Elden Band without blinking. Sekiro was released in March 2019 and was not a Souls game, the fans of the franchise were starving for this for then long. All the buildup that nosotros got with DS3/BB all those years, are hither. The initial burst of sales/hype was coming from FROMSOFT fans, and non newcomers.

• #1,318

Was watching Seth Meyers and he made a random elden ring reference. Too I take multiple friends who never played souls games purchase elden ring.

• #1,319

Arguing that only a minority of like 10% of this game's 12 MILLION sales comes from newcomers to From games is kind of just uhhh...... The game is currently plastered and beingness discussed EVERYWHERE, it'southward i of the most critically acclaimed games in contempo retentiveness on top of all the hype that it already had up to its release, association with GRRM working in the game, etc. Information technology's not that difficult to believe why it would reach out to a bigger audience.

• #ane,320

10 posts, all in ER sales thread. Yes checks out.

Oct 25, 2017

11,282

Texas

• #1,321

x posts, all in ER sales thread. Yes checks out.

Cmon man nothing weird almost that. Nothing at alt

• #1,322

yeah and the just friend of mine I am certain that bought the game on release already went for a refund because he didn't see/feel anything of GRRM in the game, single examples don't affair. On the other manus, seeing that basically all my friends still play cod and gta is something statistically more useful, don't you think?

No that'due south not how actual stars work, but since you want to go that road pretty much every friend I've got (none of which every got close to beating or enjoying a souls game save one) are currently playing and loving information technology.

Cyberpunk sold more copies than TW3 in its start year (and fifty-fifty more), same for Fallout with Skyrim, how did it finish? Non gonna explain everything from 0 again, check my previous replies

Yous keep harping on this, you do realise you're not actually making a point right? Those sales numbers don't automatically prove that it was only skyrim or Witcher fans bought those properties in droves.

Secondly just considering sales brutal off in the long run prove what exactly? That again doesn't imply that a large portion of sales weren't from newcomers.

Bro, just await some older threads to check the hype from fans, yeah, in that location are some new folks who never played it, merely I concord that majority are from people who played at least one FROM game earlier. People went hollow waiting to this game, I got 3 copies for myself lmao.

If you look the DS3 numbers, I bet with you that most all accounts who played it got Elden Ring without blinking. Sekiro was released in March 2019 and was not a Souls game, the fans of the franchise were starving for this for so long. All the buildup that we got with DS3/BB all those years, are hither. The initial outburst of sales/hype was coming from FROMSOFT fans, and not newcomers.

I'd love to take that bet and see your receipts that 90% (Over 10million roughly) were ALL previous fans of the series, despite the like hype trains going from BB to DS3.

*Edit, also we ignoring how many posts in the older ER hype threads were posters mentioning it would be their first souls game?

• #1,323

I know at least 7 of my friends or coworkers who have bought this with little/no knowledge of Souls games. Some of them accept said to me "you similar those actually hard games, right? The Night Souls?" in the by but that is it.

• #one,324

Gonna make me an alt account just and then i tin can use my vast knowledge to tell everyone elden ring is just a fad. Nice.

• #one,325

As expected.

Feel free to go off and play HFW in a ditch somewhere.

• #i,326

Non but Souls players, there are e'er outliers, merely I'k quite confident that a good fourscore to 90% of the people who bought ER are Souls fans, yes. I can not see how someone used to a GTA playstyle would exist interested in this game

People say stuff similar this a lot. It's rarely true, if ever.

• #1,327

Gonna search this thread for how ofttimes the word "niche" shows up.

• #1,328

For sure not a new take:
The most amazing thing near all of this is that we are even having this discussion. Horizon is chiliad% mainstream while Elden Ring is open world Dark Souls. Going by the "logic" of the modern mainstream gaming market that conditioned people towards games like Horizon for a decade, at that place should be no contest. Yet here we are.

• #ane,329

I am curious, how much percent of Elden Ring's pre-order sales came at least 6 months before releases? Particularly considering they had pre-orders open in the belatedly 2020s.

• #1,330

For certain not a new take:
The most astonishing thing nigh all of this is that we are even having this discussion. Horizon is 1000% mainstream while Elden Ring is open world Night Souls. Going by the "logic" of the modern mainstream gaming market that conditioned people towards games similar Horizon for a decade, there should exist no competition. Still here nosotros are.

nighttime souls sold xxx one thousand thousand copies. it was already main stream

• #1,331

dark souls sold thirty million copies. it was already principal stream

Thats non what i am getting at here. Elden Rings design is in part an antithesis to AAA game design that HFW still follows, yet it sells like a mainstream AAA game at the moment. Thats the amazing part.

• #1,332

Didn't vote, but I'd similar to recollect that I would've voted for Elden Ring, the attention and hype is was getting was tangible in a manner that HFW was not. Didn't expect it to sell as well as it did though.

Also I have to say that I'm very surprised that HFW is a month old now and Sony oasis't said annihilation nearly its sales. Nosotros have enough data to exist confident that information technology sold well and so yep why not just tell united states, nosotros know Elden Ring's sales and Triangle Strategy'due south sales for example, it's not at all a problem to proudly declare sales numbers like information technology maaay take been 2-iii weeks ago.

• #one,333

Gonna search this thread for how oftentimes the word "niche" shows up.

I recall a time when From Software games were discussed as beingness 'bad' or 'niche' during the PS2 era. King's Field? 'That fits a niche'. Evergrace? 'That game is then bad'. Armored Core? 'A hardcore fanbase.' Eternal Ring? 'An caused taste'.

From Software have come a long way.

• #1,334

Didn't vote, but I'd like to think that I would've voted for Elden Band, the attending and hype is was getting was tangible in a fashion that HFW was non. Didn't expect it to sell also every bit it did though.

Too I accept to say that I'm very surprised that HFW is a month former now and Sony haven't said anything almost its sales. We have enough data to be confident that it sold well so yeah why non only tell u.s.a., we know Elden Band's sales and Triangle Strategy's sales for instance, it'south not at all a problem to proudly declare sales numbers like it maaay take been 2-3 weeks ago.

information technology's not so strange, Miles Morales sales were revealed later 3 months, Returnal later 3 months, Rift apart after 1,v months and Demon's Souls later ten months

• #ane,335

I am curious, how much percentage of Elden Ring'south pre-lodge sales came at least half-dozen months earlier releases? Especially because they had pre-orders open in the belatedly 2020s.

they Opened preorders in november 2021, correct later gameplay showcase (information technology's less than four months before release)

• #i,336

I am shocked ER has sold also as it did and even pushed Horizon Forbidden West into obscurity. All signs were Horizon was the more mainstream game with the usual mainstream features. Dark Souls games have never sold well because of their niche features. IMO we should care for that 12 million sales with a grain of salt. Information technology's likely the Game of thrones viewer base of operations consisting of casuals bought the game due to association with GRRM and once they notice out how frustrating the enemies are and how it's not a typical video game, there would be huge refunds.

Nosotros demand to know how many of those 12 one thousand thousand were refunded because logically Horizon should outsell ER handily.

• #1,337

We need to know how many of those 12 million were refunded because logically Horizon should outsell ER handily.

Not with that metascore. ER is only the better game (doesn't mean Horizon is bad) and one of the best ever fabricated. That alone sparks involvement. Add the Open World and a far more manageable difficulty and you lot accept a winner on your hands.

• #one,338

I voted for Elden Ring back and so non simply considering we could encounter the anticipation for it, but because it was releasing on 5 platforms versus Horizon's two. While I don't remember anyone could have predicted the scale of Elden Ring's commercial success, I don't think it was ever in doubt, or always a fair comparison to describe in the first identify.

I'm delighted to run into both games can be and then successful, though. Despite some of the takes in this thread, by any metric, Horizon has found its ain sizeable audience, and its disquisitional reception is such that information technology volition keep being talked nigh into GOTY season and certainly pick upwardly a lot of nominations, even if the ultimate awards may get to Elden Band. Particularly as we enter a quieter leap/summer menstruation, both of these games will have a lot of time to breathe and sell more than copies, and so I think we're likely to keep to see big numbers for both of these games.

• #1,339

I am shocked ER has sold as well as it did and even pushed Horizon Forbidden West into obscurity. All signs were Horizon was the more mainstream game with the usual mainstream features. Dark Souls games take never sold well because of their niche features. IMO we should care for that 12 one thousand thousand sales with a grain of table salt. Information technology's probable the Game of thrones viewer base of operations consisting of casuals bought the game due to association with GRRM and once they notice out how frustrating the enemies are and how information technology'south not a typical video game, there would be huge refunds.

We need to know how many of those 12 meg were refunded because logically Horizon should outsell ER handily.

Is this a bit? Or a meme I've missed ? Saying Dark Souls has never sold well is simply wrong, and saying that there were no indications ER would exist massive just willful ignorance. It won this poll for a reason.

• #1,340

I am shocked ER has sold as well equally it did and even pushed Horizon Forbidden Westward into obscurity. All signs were Horizon was the more mainstream game with the usual mainstream features. Night Souls games have never sold well considering of their niche features. IMO we should treat that 12 million sales with a grain of salt. Information technology's probable the Game of thrones viewer base consisting of casuals bought the game due to clan with GRRM and one time they find out how frustrating the enemies are and how information technology'southward not a typical video game, there would be huge refunds.

Nosotros demand to know how many of those 12 one thousand thousand were refunded because logically Horizon should outsell ER handily.

Are you serious? GRRM is definitely non the main reason that Er is and so popular. It'due south popular because it's one of the best games ever with 96 on meta and because all Popular streamers play information technology everyday (even dr disrespect lol). Simply check Google trends statistics: Elden ring is literally 20 times more pop than horizon (even more pop than cyberpunk was at launch). i Would say it's Among usa or Valheim situation and it has cipher to do with Game of thrones fans who don't care almost games at all

• #1,341

I am shocked ER has sold as well as it did and even pushed Horizon Forbidden W into obscurity. All signs were Horizon was the more mainstream game with the usual mainstream features. Dark Souls games have never sold well because of their niche features. IMO we should treat that 12 million sales with a grain of salt. It's likely the Game of thrones viewer base consisting of casuals bought the game due to association with GRRM and once they notice out how frustrating the enemies are and how it's non a typical video game, there would be huge refunds.

Nosotros demand to know how many of those 12 1000000 were refunded because logically Horizon should outsell ER handily.

Lmao the denial is out of this world

Reads like fanfiction.

• #i,342

I am shocked ER has sold also as it did and even pushed Horizon Forbidden Due west into obscurity. All signs were Horizon was the more mainstream game with the usual mainstream features. Dark Souls games have never sold well because of their niche features. IMO we should treat that 12 million sales with a grain of salt. It'southward likely the Game of thrones viewer base consisting of casuals bought the game due to association with GRRM and once they find out how frustrating the enemies are and how information technology'southward non a typical video game, there would be huge refunds.

We need to know how many of those 12 million were refunded considering logically Horizon should outsell ER handily.

I will admit. You almost got me with this mail service.

Almost.

• #ane,343

Man, I never cared about "sales threads" if not in the blandest sense of superficially acknowledging if a game has been profitable or not, simply this thread has been endlessly fascinating and even entertaining so far.

• #1,344

Are you serious? GRRM is definitely not the main reason that Er is and then pop. It's popular considering it's one of the best games ever with 96 on meta and because all Popular streamers play information technology everyday (even dr disrespect lol). But bank check Google trends statistics: Elden ring is literally 20 times more popular than horizon (even more pop than cyberpunk was at launch). i Would say it's Among us or Valheim situation and it has nothing to practice with Game of thrones fans who don't care well-nigh games at all

The publisher had targeted 4 million units to be sold in 5 weeks. This is the publisher. If it was and so obvious, why did they target such a depression number? No i expected this game to sell every bit information technology did. The game has sold twice as Sekiro did in a yr. Y'all take to wonder if it's possible for such a miracle to happen. It'due south clear the vast bulk of those 12 million units are non Souls players so how did the game become then popular all of a sudden? And fifty-fifty if it did, it's a notoriously difficult game, so as to how many of those 12 million sales stick around is another question altogether. Half of the sales are on Steam so it's easy to refund within two hours.

• #1,345

Is this a chip? Or a meme I've missed ? Saying Dark Souls has never sold well is just wrong, and saying that there were no indications ER would exist massive merely willful ignorance. It won this poll for a reason.

DS3 sold 10 million units in four years. Sekiro sold five 1000000 copies in a twelvemonth. This has nix on Horizon Zero Dawn which sold over 20 meg units. Even the publisher was targeting 4 meg units. Based on historical track records, in that location was nothing indicating ER would take hold of upwardly with FW, non even the publisher expected it.

• #1,346

I don't remember anyone expected ER to sell this good, peculiarly on PC, which did like 10x Steam peak compared to DS3. Remember some Bamco exec is gonna give himself a nice yacht as a bonus.

• #ane,347

DS3 sold ten million units in four years. Sekiro sold v million copies in a year. This has null on Horizon Zero Dawn which sold over twenty million units. Fifty-fifty the publisher was targeting 4 million units. Based on historical track records, there was nothing indicating ER would catch upwardly with FW, non even the publisher expected information technology.

I'g not saying anyone expected it to be every bit popular as it has been. Merely fifty-fifty 4M by the end of March would've been a huge footstep up over their previous games and probably indicative that the game would've gone on to sell significantly better. HZD sold less than twice what DS3 did, and it was actually apparent that ER was going to sell much better than DS3.

That said yous could await at available numbers like Steam followers and wishlists and have a good guess that the game would practise multiple millions just on Steam at launch unless reviews were outright scathing. Idk if Bamco is conservative with estimates or what.

• #1,348

The publisher had targeted four one thousand thousand units to be sold in 5 weeks. This is the publisher. If it was so obvious, why did they target such a low number? No i expected this game to sell equally it did. The game has sold twice every bit Sekiro did in a yr. You have to wonder if information technology's possible for such a miracle to happen. Information technology's clear the vast majority of those 12 million units are non Souls players so how did the game get and then popular all of a sudden? And even if it did, it's a notoriously difficult game, so equally to how many of those 12 million sales stick around is another question altogether. Half of the sales are on Steam and so it's easy to refund inside two hours.

where Did I say that 12 mil copies sold was obvious? once again I remember that this is "among us" state of affairs which was totally unpredictable. Also if a game is skilful the number of refunds is super insignificant (all devs ever say this). Peradventure 1-ii% max

• #one,349

DS3 sold 10 million units in 4 years. Sekiro sold v million copies in a year. This has aught on Horizon Zero Dawn which sold over 20 one thousand thousand units. Even the publisher was targeting four one thousand thousand units. Based on historical track records, there was cypher indicating ER would catch upwardly with FW, not even the publisher expected it.

There's no universe where selling ten 1000000 copies (which, let me remind you, is NOT updated data) can exist reasonably dismissed every bit "cypher".
Not fifty-fifty in a direct comparison with a championship that did twice every bit much.
And that's even assuming DS3 didn't sell a unmarried boosted copy since then.

• #1,350

I am shocked ER has sold equally well equally it did and even pushed Horizon Forbidden Due west into obscurity. All signs were Horizon was the more mainstream game with the usual mainstream features. Dark Souls games have never sold well because of their niche features. IMO nosotros should treat that 12 million sales with a grain of common salt. It's likely the Game of thrones viewer base consisting of casuals bought the game due to association with GRRM and once they discover out how frustrating the enemies are and how it's non a typical video game, there would exist huge refunds.

We demand to know how many of those 12 one thousand thousand were refunded considering logically Horizon should outsell ER handily.

wha

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